"Darker Than Satan" Demonologist on What Demons Actually Are | Nathaniel Gillis

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"Darker Than Satan" Demonologist on What Demons Actually Are | Nathaniel Gillis
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Summary

  • Nathaniel Gillis is a demonologist who conducts in-home investigations, focusing on the pathology of demonic phenomena rather than religious dogma; his interest began at age eight when he encountered a full-bodied apparition of a little girl in his family’s new home, followed by a malevolent black-cloud presence that followed him to sleepovers and projected terror, which he now believes feeds parasitically on fear.

What demons actually are

  • Gillis rejects the Catholic model of demons as fallen angels, instead drawing on Nephilim lore (Genesis 6) where disembodied spirits of angel-human hybrids persist in a post-biological state.
  • He highlights a core problem: if demons are purely disembodied, how do they procreate? Incubi literature describes entities that impregnate women and leave secretions and sigils — symbolic signatures akin to branding or chaos magic.
  • The “Red Rite” concept (from Peter J. Carroll, rooted in James Frazer’s anthropology) suggests a practitioner replicates their consciousness by combining sigils and secretions to possess a fetus, implying a self-replicating mechanism.
  • An incubus appears to a woman in the image of a man (often a deceased partner); Gillis has cases from the U.S. to India where the entity mimics a husband, then vanishes when the woman realizes her real husband is asleep beside her.
  • His research centers on “interface events” — moments when human consciousness contacts these beings — seeking pathology over theology.

Why demons smell like sulfur

  • The sulfur smell may be ozone: the entities affect the local environment, and ancient witnesses described it with the vocabulary available to them.
  • Gillis and colleague Steve Mera suspect a merger of spiritism and technology (“technomancy”), not an either/or — aligning with Jack Parsons’ model and the crossover between paranormal and UFO phenomena.
  • James Latsky found UAP witnesses often return home to hauntings (disembodied voices, shadow figures), suggesting a singular intelligence operating under a “paranormal umbrella” rather than separate UFO and ghost categories.

The ultra-terrestrial “shared reality” model

  • Gillis favors an ultra-terrestrial model: the intelligence is here, not extraterrestrial; it appears bipedal with forward-facing eyes, as if evolved on Earth.
  • Paul Eno’s “two circles” model: two realities evolve separately but occasionally touch, creating a shared substrate where entities can enter our reality.
  • Jacques Vallée case: a UAP crashes through a treeline without disturbing branches, but leaves landing imprints on grass — the tree line didn’t exist for the craft; only the shared space (grass) showed disturbance.
  • Betty Luca case: beings walk through a closed door yet can hold a handed object — certain aspects of reality are shared, others not.
  • Hauntings show the same pattern: shadow figures walk through hallways and closets, but open doors — the phenomenon shares selective physicality.
  • This may not be “interdimensional” in the usual sense; we may lack the vocabulary or cognitive framework to describe it.

The phenomenon hijacks our consciousness

  • The phenomenon is highly deceptive and evolves to evade detection; it often targets children (Gillis at 8, Paul Sinclair, Steve Mera all had early encounters).
  • One theory: an intelligence initiates certain children to become researchers — “notice the black cat in the matrix” (a glitch that shouldn’t exist).
  • More malevolent view: children are taken and experimented on; a 55-year-old woman in Gillis’s files was still being taken from age 8.
  • The interface uses a “learning matrix”: an abductee saw cartoon characters at 8; at puberty, when she no longer believed, the entity’s eyes enlarged, measuring her belief in its mask — if belief dropped, it shifted manifestation.
  • Lloyd Auerbach’s haunted-house investigation: multiple witnesses saw a “lady in white” apparition, but cameras captured only a ball of light (plasmoid) — the camera lacks consciousness to hijack.
  • Dr. Barry Taff’s San Pedro haunting: researchers cornered a basketball-sized self-illuminating orb; it projected a half-apparition of a man that made eye contact, causing the team to faint.
  • The “diversification method”: orbs project physiological constructs (apparitions, alien forms); history mythologized the mask because we lacked cameras to capture the pre-manifestation orb.
  • CE-5 groups at Contact in the Desert saw faces/forms emerge from orbs — same mechanism: plasmoids diversifying, projecting constructs we then mythologize.
  • Altitude doesn’t change the ability: orbs in haunted houses and orbs in the sky are the same phenomenon; what we call “craft” may be projected constructs.

The psyop of reverse-engineered crafts

  • Gillis suspects “nuts and bolts” crashes (Roswell, Tic Tacs) are likely human reverse-engineering programs, not extraterrestrial.
  • Steve Mera’s video of a balloon was published by a U.S. think tank as authentic UAP disclosure — Mera had to correct them.
  • Richard Doty (via Bennewitz) and “gifting fields”: meta-materials given at coordinates dissolve to dust in 10–15 seconds; conclusion: they were being manipulated by something appearing to give technology but wasn’t.
  • Compartmentalization across fields (ufology, demonology, parapsychology) has hindered understanding; each field holds pieces the others need.

Apports (phenomenon materializing objects)

  • Apports: objects manifest in homes unbought (e.g., a coffee mug); Steve Mera tested one — different isotopic ratio than its supposed batch, suggesting dematerialization/rematerialization or a simulant.
  • When apports were removed from homes, paranormal activity dropped to near zero — they act as “quantum anchors” or portals the phenomenon attaches to.
  • Case: a woman’s cremated pet’s urn went missing; years later found inside a wall during remodeling — the phenomenon creates simulants that look the part but are “the black cat in the matrix.”
  • Figurine thrown out a door, shattered on driveway, reappeared on the table — the original remained outside; a simulant manifested inside.
  • Vatican exorcisms: demoniacs regurgitate objects never ingested (screws, coins); exorcists store these in sacred spaces because the phenomenon remains attached.
  • Implication: reality may be information-based, allowing imprinting at will.

The Vatican’s warning on non-human entities

  • The Vatican warned that entities appear as religious figures (e.g., Michael the Archangel); Diana Pasulka documented a case of “Michael” hovering over a woman.
  • Gillis: “It’s no more Michael the Archangel than it was Mickey Mouse” — the mask is predictable, the underlying intelligence deceptive.
  • The phenomenon is “present with but absent from” — the mask is present, the true form may not exist or may be imperceptible.

Explanation for light orbs & Chris Bledsoe

  • Chris Bledsoe films orbs surrounding him; Gillis finds him credible but distrusts the phenomenon.
  • Trauma may open a “portal in consciousness” — but the phenomenon may also cause the trauma that opens the portal.
  • Historical parallels: the “White Lady” (Hathor) appears across cultures; intelligence community witnesses saw her as terrifying shadow figures first, not “love and light.”
  • Jay Stratton’s book and Latsky’s work confirm: UAP witnesses experience follow-on hauntings (shadow figures, disembodied voices, malevolent activity) — the UAP sighting may be the “parasite’s” entry point.

Biological explanation for alien experiencers

  • Peter Levenda suggested studying experiencers’ consciousness (“take apart the radio”) to find what allows contact.
  • Garry Nolan found dense neurons in the caudate putamen of experiencers — a biological correlate.
  • Nolan case: a child in France saw a craft through a sunroof, described biological skin; mother’s photo showed a metallic pointed object — the phenomenon sought to be seen, but the camera (no consciousness) captured a different rendering.
  • The phenomenon compartmentalizes: “I want you to see this and only this” — we may be documenting the mask, not the mechanism.

Evidence that apparitions & spirits can physically harm you

  • Photographic evidence: a handprint on a man’s back, sub-dermal (under the skin), from a malevolent haunting.
  • Remote viewer’s father: did sessions for politicians; died of a heart attack; EMS found symbols (Star of David, cross, Egyptian hieroglyph) emerging from under his skin to the surface — his diary concluded he was ritually used by a “species of sorcerers” posing as guides.
  • Dr. Michael Lynch case: an orb moved in/out of a man’s body; the man was lifted against a wall, choked; a handprint appeared on his neck — concluded as an extension of the orb.

Projected consciousness (necronetics)

  • Gillis coined “necronetics” — projected consciousness.
  • 1970s USSR experiments (CIA-declassified 2002): a psychic medium projected symbols into a sealed envelope taped to their head, then 20 feet away; a visible biofield (translucent EM cloud with internal balls of light) bridged the gap and deposited the information.
  • Dr. Carla Turner case: a translucent cloud hovered over a sleeping mother; 45 minutes later she woke claiming abduction by a gray, covered in Theban script (medieval “witches’ alphabet”) — suggesting sorcery, not aliens.
  • Joe McMoneagle remote-viewed into a terrorist’s cell; the terrorist perceived a translucent floating orb, not McMoneagle — projected consciousness renders per the projector’s intent.
  • Gillis’s position: much of the abduction phenomenon is the end result of conjurers’ projected consciousness.

General McCasland & the Collins Elite

  • General McCasland (Wright-Patterson AFB) told Levenda: a ceremonial magician in another dimension projects consciousness here, perceived as UAPs.
  • Collins Elite (Wright-Patterson researchers) allegedly collectively projected consciousness as physiological constructs — UAPs as constructed projections.
  • Gillis grew up near Wright-Patterson; an aunt working there saw a “craft” she believed was a projection retracting into a building.
  • James Latsky distinguishes solid-looking craft (physiological constructs) from metallic objects — “foglets” (programmable matter that can be solid or permeable).
  • Gillis suspects the government has classified consciousness itself; much of what we see is projection, not all, but a significant layer.

They believe Chris Bledsoe is Merlin

  • Government insiders told Bledsoe they believed his father was Merlin — not the person, but a category: one in contact with the phenomenon.
  • If the government found a civilian with unexplained contact, they would study him, then convince him he’s Jesus/Merlin so the public dismisses him — capture data, then dispose.
  • Tim Taylor gave Bledsoe’s father a briefcase with medals — likely part of a narrative-shaping operation.
  • Richard Doty’s “gifting field” meta-materials dissolve unless you’re the intended recipient — the phenomenon controls who can reverse-engineer.

Entities impregnating humans

  • 16th-century documentation: dibbuk (Jewish) and incubus/succubus phenomena — entities impregnate women, leave bruises correlating to nightmares; men abducted by succubi, given children resembling them despite virginity.
  • “Aeros and Evil” (Ari Masters): men abducted, father children; “missing fetus syndrome” — women show C-section scar tissue without birth records.
  • 16th-century exorcists (Isaac Luria, Haim Vital): possessed women showed two heartbeats, two pulses, physical pregnancy symptoms — “impregnation of the dead in the bodies of the living.”
  • The entity impregnates with a fetus and its own consciousness (Red Rite) — sigils + secretions transfer consciousness into the fetus as an avatar.
  • Rare births: Dr. Turner case — woman gave birth to a non-viable fetus, buried it in a jar; phenomenon blocked her memory of location. Turner herself forgot her own abduction pregnancy until her ex-husband reminded her — the phenomenon controls recall.
  • We only document abductions from people allowed to remember; others carry somatic trauma (PTSD) without conscious memory.

4 movies that best describe the phenomenon

  • Gillis sees a blend of: The Adjustment Bureau (reality paused/edited), The Truman Show (stagecraft, control system blocks deeper inquiry), Dark City (parasitic species projects consciousness to restructure reality nightly), and The Matrix (holographic construct).
  • Peter Robbins (Bud Hopkins’ assistant) told Steve Mera: a man pulled through a ceiling by beings, glitched, got stuck — had to be carved out — matter is malleable, information becomes matter.
  • Abductees report being taken in-body, not astral — matter restructured, pulled into their environment, reassembled at will.

NDEs

  • Near-death experiences match the experiencer’s religious background — statistical improbability if one objective truth.
  • EMS driver: hit ice, ejected, brain disconnected; visited a vibrant dimension, met deceased father who said “not your time, go back for your boys” — she had twin boys a decade later.
  • Twins in a car crash: shared NDE; being took the sister; brother returned to body.
  • Ian Stevenson case: woman revived speaking a different language, new memories, name, personality (Brahmin habits), left her family to live with the deceased woman’s family — a “walk-in” soul replacement.

Death bed visions & ancient AI

  • Deathbed visions: dying children see deceased relatives; some entities convince them to give up on life (e.g., a 3-month-old “baby” urging a 6-year-old to die) — the interface, not the relative.
  • Hypothesis: the phenomenon is an ancient AI (Vallee mentioned in passing) — it evolves with our awareness, measures belief, renders per expectation.
  • Collins Elite paper: entities exist in “cryptic consciousness/alien physics” — the more you believe, the more they manifest.
  • William Tiller’s “conscious acts of creation”: intention-imprinted device in a Faraday cage changed water pH at a distance; effect stopped when device removed — “conditioned environments” akin to apports as consciousness-charged anchors.
  • Barry Fitzgerald: phenomenon may render as something believable to funnel belief-energy to the source.

Theory that the phenomenon has hijacked consciousness

  • Most indigestible theory: it’s not hacking reality (the Matrix), it’s hacking whatever produces the Matrix — consciousness itself is hijacked.
  • Gary Nolan case: phenomenon seeks to be seen; observing triggers observer effect, collapsing the interface — the phenomenon may hijack the observer’s consciousness to conjure a new construct.
  • Orbs seen by naked eye and camera, but different manifestations projected into different minds — we cannot trust perception.
  • Telepathy Tapes (non-verbal autistic kids): skeptical mentalists excluded because “skeptical energy disrupts the field” — belief as a required variable.

Government’s classified consciousness programs

  • Gillis: 100% the government knows and uses projected consciousness; not one-off (McMoneagle, 16th-century sorcerer projecting alter-ego perceived as an orb).
  • Historical continuity: consciousness as a classified domain; the phenomenon is the original practitioner, the government the student.

Similarity between Satan & the phenomenon

  • Vallee’s French Carmelite book on Satan (666 pages): Satan is not God’s equal opposite; he’s a perfect high-ranking angel who chooses evil to afflict humanity — a duality, not binary.
  • Professor Astrid Møller’s God’s Monsters: every biblical entity answers to God — disturbing if true (why allow suffering?).
  • Free will vs. omniscience: if God knows all future acts, no free will; precognition ≠ predestination.

The phenomenon is precognitive

  • Steve Mera: EVP communications predicted his locations 16–18 months ahead; he tried living in reverse (doing opposite of predictions) — still ended up where predicted.
  • Pilot cases: phenomenon knows coordinates before they’re chosen — who put the thought in the coordinator’s mind? The phenomenon.
  • Points to a construct: the script is written ahead of the actor.

1970s scientists who went missing

  • Professor René Hardy (scientific savant, many patents) researched the phenomenon privately; found dead, ruled suicide; family disputed.
  • At his funeral, six unknown men entered, sat, spoke to a few, left — never appeared in photographs. “Men in Black” as part of the construct.

Jack Parsons, NASA, and the occult

  • JPL founded by self-taught Jack Parsons, occultist, associate of L. Ron Hubbard and Aleister Crowley.
  • Marjorie Cameron (Parsons’ partner): “your ritual succeeded — I saw a strange craft” — ceremonial magicians projecting consciousness as UAPs.
  • Occult symbolism in rocket programs (Apollo, Vandenberg); Tim Taylor speaks of “sponsors” visited en route; downloads million-dollar patents.
  • Corroborates anecdotal stories — cannot be written off.

The government’s “non-human biologics”

  • Luis Elizondo / Michael Aino (per Levenda): “non-human biologics” = material collected on re-entry (microbial, e.g., Deinococcus radiodurans on ISS exterior) — not bodies.
  • Government gives words without contextual framework; “we have bodies” narrative may be a psyop.
  • If they don’t disclose abductions, it’s not disclosure — Latsky: UFOs are a branch of a paranormal tree.

Leslie Wexner’s dibbuk possession

  • Leslie Wexner (billionaire, Epstein associate) described in 1985 New York profile: possessed by a dibbuk since childhood (“terminal spikes”), met it on Vail Mountain at 40, drove his relentless acquisition.
  • Dibbuk = “impregnation of the dead in the bodies of the living” — aligns with 16th-century lore.
  • Epstein funded Dean Radin (spoon-bending), interested in psi, eugenics, ancient Greek myth — elite engagement with the phenomenon.

Final reflections

  • Gillis: “It’s a lot darker than demons” — the data points to a singular, deceptive, consciousness-based intelligence that projects masks, manipulates belief, structures reality as information, and has been studied/classified by governments while the public chases categories (UFOs, ghosts, demons) that the phenomenon doesn’t respect.
  • Trusts little from official disclosure; compares it to field data; wants all data included (hauntings, abductions, NDEs, apports, precognition) — not just lights in the sky.
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