Pulitzer Winner Teaches Writing (Andrew Sean Greer Interview)

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Pulitzer Winner Teaches Writing (Andrew Sean Greer Interview)
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Summary

  • Andrew Sean Greer, Pulitzer Prize winner for his 2017 novel Less, discusses his writing process, the role of comedy in serious fiction, and the practical realities of a writing career, revealing how intuitive first drafts and rigorous structural revision combine to create novels that feel both playful and emotionally resonant.

Editing by echo and rhythm

  • Greer’s first drafts are chaotic and intuitive; he writes vignettes out of order and later looks for repeating images — birds, porcupines, a fraud in Venice — to discover the book’s hidden architecture.
  • If a lovely scene doesn’t rhyme with anything else, it must go; a 250-page novel should feel like every element was necessary, the way a good storyteller makes the milkman matter.
  • The subconscious spills everything onto the table; the conscious mind then shapes it into theme and pattern, like solving a crossword puzzle where each filled-in clue unlocks the next.
  • He writes scenes as they arrive — sometimes 2/3 through the book first — and lets them connect organically, avoiding the nervous breakdown of over-planning or the sterility of over-calculation.
  • Swimming helps him design scenes: choosing point of view, foreshadowing, narrative distance, or skipping dialogue entirely (as Beryl Bainbridge does) to let the reader imagine more.
  • Old novels teach lost techniques: Colette ending Gigi with an ellipsis, Daphne du Maurier never naming the narrator of Rebecca, French novels using dashes for unknown names — tools that create suspense and reader participation.
  • Reading like a detective means stopping to ask “how did they do that?” — whether it’s McCarthy’s missing quotation marks, Saramago’s fused dialogue, or Proust’s colon-landing sentences — and stealing only what serves your own voice.

Building a narrator’s voice

  • Voice emerges from a “pile of books” Greer surrounds himself with; their combination creates a tonal target he writes toward through false starts (he rewrote the first 100 pages of The Impossible Lives of Greta Wells three or four times).
  • He knows he’s found the voice when pages flow easily and are a pleasure to write, even if they’ll be cut.
  • Less works because the narrator is smarter and funnier than Arthur Less; the narrator knows it’s a comedy, while Arthur suffers — comedy requires a perspective that things will turn out okay.
  • For Villa Coco, the narrator is an older man looking back at his 21-year-old self with empathy and simpler language, a different comic register.
  • He consumes only what feeds the current book — Bergman over Scream 7, secondhand bookstores over bestseller lists — to avoid sounding like his generation and to sound more like himself.

Character without backstory

  • MFA-style character dossiers feel like method acting; 19th-century novels built character through accumulated detail, but modern literary fiction demands instant vividness in a few sentences.
  • Characters either leap onto the page alive or never do; if they don’t, Greer uses craft — distinctive speech, thought patterns, physical details — to make them real for the reader even if they’re not real for him.
  • He observes people in bars, noting not just stories but gestures, clothing, the “bug eyes and mole” that encapsulate a person; that vitality transfers to any role — a 19th-century maid, a bartender.
  • Gruff, unwelcoming people are more useful than friendly ones; resistance creates scene tension, and background action (a cat crossing a bar) can carry a scene when dialogue stalls.
  • Surprise on every page — description, language, plot, character — keeps readers turning pages to reach the “blocks of poetry” they came for; a diamond heist delivers the wisdom.

Comedy from tragedy, timing from revision

  • Comedy comes from touching the hardest things: Less jokes about Arthur being “the first homosexual ever to grow old” because the generation above him died of AIDS; the humor distracts while leading the reader through fire.
  • Joan Rivers’ response to “that’s not funny” — “my mother was deaf” — captures comedy’s function: facing the hardest things together.
  • Timing on the page is grammatical: cutting the last 20 pages to 8, replacing “he got on a plane” with an ellipsis and “he stood at his house” to accelerate pace.
  • The funny stuff arrives in the first pass (Greer isn’t witty in life but has l’esprit de l’escalier at writer’s speed); revision spots the jokes he set up unconsciously and lands them — e.g., moving Arthur’s mushroom trip wake-up from a teepee to the “universe appreciation platform” he’d built earlier.
  • Comic models: Updike’s playful language, Roth’s rants, Bellow, Thornton Wilder’s farces, Nancy Mitford and Gerald Durrell’s gentle English comedy — writers who treated comedy as a normal part of serious literature.

The Pulitzer and the liberation of failure

  • After his fifth book (The Impossible Lives of Greta Wells) vanished without notice, Greer felt finished at 46 — which freed him to write Less as a private comedy, assuming no one would read it.
  • His British publisher (Faber) and 11 others rejected Less based on prior sales; a British edition appeared only the day after the Pulitzer, 10 months later.
  • He learned of the prize in Tuscany, training pugs to wear diapers for Margaret Atwood’s visit, with no cell reception; Michael Chabon called: “There is no downside, and now you can write any book you want.”
  • Michael Cunningham added: “Do not waste any time worrying about whether you deserve it” — the committee decided, not him.
  • The win felt like tenure: validation for a book written in despair, proving comedy can carry tragedy and that writing what comes easily (his “left-handed pitch”) is the only sustainable path.

Writing as craft, not magic

  • Artists’ residencies taught Greer to call himself an artist; painters talk about lacquer drying, paint texture, cheap turpentine — the daily technical grind that produces art.
  • Revision is technical: matching a donkey scene on page 30 with one 30 pages from the end, reconnecting threads, letting polished scenes “dry” before re-reading.
  • The artistic sensation is making the thing in your head as closely as possible — like Richard Dreyfuss building the mountain in mashed potatoes — madness to live with, but the only compulsion that matters.

Career pragmatism and travel writing as training

  • Writers must eat; Greer became a travel writer by dressing in loud colors to be memorable, getting introduced to an editor at Travel + Leisure, and waiting for the call.
  • Advice: get life experiences (jobs with stories, bars with a notepad instead of a phone), accept you may never earn from writing, and know there is no “champagne room” of VIP writers — just other writers doing the work.
  • Travel writing taught him to avoid cliché (AI is pure cliché) by finding the unexpected: a ski resort in Morocco, a boy selling pink-dyed chicks — details that are “utterly themselves,” neither cliché nor anti-cliché.
  • He records everything: the air-conditioner brand, the dog shuttled between kitchen and dining room, the parrot in a cage — human evidence that later seeds novels.
  • He is a plaintiff in lawsuits against AI companies and does not use AI.

Poetry as prose’s R&D department

  • Poets “go down in the mines and get the jewels”; Greer steals their narrative and language discoveries — condensation, line breaks, story-within-story structures (Matthew Rohrer’s The Others taught him how to embed the baronessa’s tales in Villa Coco without derailing momentum).
  • His poetry club reads one poem for months, aloud, examining resistance and delight; prose answers to prose problems live there.

The editor is the patient, you are the doctor

  • The editor feels the pain (“my arm hurts, it’s arm cancer”); the writer diagnoses and treats — the editor cannot know the cure because the book lives in the writer’s head.
  • Workshop advice (“cut the mermaid”) aims for mediocrity; the writer must ask “or more mermaid?” — commit to the strange element and build toward it.
  • His editor Lee Boudreaux wanted to cut Less’s revelatory ending to protect the comic tone; Greer kept it and rewrote the rest of the novel so the ending landed — her solution was easiest, his was right.
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